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    The Range! Nikko's crash course in gunning.

    Post  Nikko on Fri Aug 06, 2010 11:41 am

    Hey clanmates!

    I get a lot of questions about gunning from inside and outside the clan, and I think in this thread perhaps I can share some of my tips, tricks, and strategies I learned. A majority of it the hard way. I don't claim to be the best (that role is reserved for Kameron), but I've been gunning since HR 1. Below is just a brief overview of using a bowgun. Even if you have no desire to ever use one, this might still be a good read so you can understand what the gunner in your group can and cannot do for you. If you have any specific questions about gunning, please post below and I'll answer your question to the best of my ability. I will edit this post from time to time with more details as well.

    The question I receive most often is "Whats the best gunner armor and gun to use?". Gunning is much different than playing a blademaster, essentially its like learning to play all over again if you are/were a exclusive blademaster. The reason I say this is because a blademaster can keep the same armor and simply change his weapon and still be effective. Also a blademaster can use the same weapon (if its a nonelemental, dragon, or status) on every monster and never have the need to change it.

    A proper gunner has to change his armor to fit his gun, and change his gun to fit the monster. This means its neccessary to craft many sets of armor and most of the gun parts to be an effective gunner. This gets expensive. And we haven't even scratched the surface about ammo. So the quick answer to the question I stated before is, "there isnt one".

    Armor
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    Gunner armor is generally half the defense of a blademasters of the same type, therefore it means you need to play smart. It is imperative that you max out the armor as soon as you buy it, otherwise you are a liability to your group. If you cant afford it, don't wear it until you do. Your armor needs to compliment your gun as much as possible, as a gunners base damage is low. Your armor should compliment the ammo you intend to shoot. For example, if you intend on shooting primarily elemental ammo, get elemental up.


    Gun
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    A gun needs to be created to specifically destroy the monster you are hunting. Every piece of the gun (barrel, frame, and stock) can carry a certain amount various ammo. This means that the parts you pick can make a gun fire up to 8 rounds until you need to reload or only 1. Also, they only increase the capacity of specific ammo. If you are planning to gun, inspect your ammo capacity on your weapon before you leave to ensure you are able to fire the ammo you are carrying. If you are not gunning, you need to ask your gunner if he is able to fire whatever desired effect you want him to do before you step off. There is nothing that infuriates me more the jackass who tells me to shoot (status) at the target without even saying he wanted it beforehand.

    Certain frames and barrels allow rapid fire. This allows multiple "weakened" versions of the ammo you are firing to be shot in a 2-3 round burst. If all rounds in the burst connect, the damage is higher than if you fired them singularly and at the cost of 1 round. The downfall to this is that you are stuck in place until the burst is complete and you have recovered from the recoil. An example of this is like when you fight agnakator and he fires his beam straight ahead. If he missed you, you run up and beat the snot out of him. This is the same thing a monster will do to a rapid fire gunner who fires an ill-timed burst.



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    Ammo is the greatest worry a gunner should have. Your supply is very limited so its important you carry the materials to create more of what you intend to fire primarily. Setup speed combos to whip up ammo in a jiff once you run low. At the same time, its also important you pick your shots. You need to study your target to see where the weakest parts of it is, and focus on those places. if you dont have a clear shot, move until you do. Spraying and praying is a waste of time, money, and a spot in someones party where they could have just had a LS spamming spirit combo indiscriminately. And under no circunstances should you ever, ever, ever, ever use pellet shot in a party. just one tiny pellet can interrupt your fellow melee hunters, and the entire cone will leave them all open for the monsters attack with no means to defend themselves.


    Ever.


    Nikko's Gun + Armor combos
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    This is my favorite combinations of gun and armor that I use. They each have a specific purpose. I encourage that you only use these as a means to understand my play style, and to experiment with your own.

    Lagi+ armor and rathalos+ stock, frame, and barrel: This combination allows the gunner to spam rapid fire flaming ammo; useful for tundra monsters.

    Diablos+ Head, Body, and Arms, black leather pants, Chakra waistlet with Jaggi barrel, devil's grin frame, and aquamatic needler stock: This combination is used to barrage small wyverns with pierce 1 shot. Gem precision gems and bonus shot.

    Full Escadora armor with Jhen barrel, jaggi frame, and rathalos stock: This combination is used to hit multiple areas of a large wyvern wih pierce 2 shot.

    *I'll add the rest later, I'm extremely sleepy.

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    Re: The Range! Nikko's crash course in gunning.

    Post  RoxasEpsilon on Fri Aug 06, 2010 9:38 pm

    (y) i think its a win. also would like to add that you might want to put aside gunning until your in the high ranks, otherwise you will have limited gun choice. plus the higher rank ones are stronger. i started at lower rank and its still fine, but just to save some grief(CURSE YOU FEARSOME MAW!)


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    Re: The Range! Nikko's crash course in gunning.

    Post  Amateurhunter on Sat Aug 07, 2010 3:40 pm

    family recipe... we r ruined (bankrupt)... its all ur fault!

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    Re: The Range! Nikko's crash course in gunning.

    Post  DD Lamomgrofl on Sun Aug 08, 2010 12:32 pm

    Nice job!!!
    Now if only i could follow all your steps......................................

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    Re: The Range! Nikko's crash course in gunning.

    Post  Dalen on Sun Aug 08, 2010 9:43 pm

    Nice work, Since im also a gunner ill add someging, i ussually use Ala stock in all my gun combos, because in my opinion is the best gun part in the game if u are doing elemntal damge, it gives u 2 shots of every elemtal shot except dragon, it gives you one. Also the armor i use the most is Escadora, gemmed to have evasion +2, i dont really wory about Deviation or recoil, since i only fire when i know im in a good position, also if someone is a gunner and is using Full escadora gunner, change Escadora Sagesse for Wisdom (the blade helm), it doesnt affect your good skills, and it boosts your def.

    Obviously i also use the Sleepbomb armor (Full ura gunner), because when you are sleep bombing, it gives you good skills, Bombardier, You can gem for Recoil down +3, Defense up, and if you have the high rank arms and legs, you can gem for Status atck up. The gun i use when sleep bombing is: Stock: Chaos wing. Frame Blizzard cannon. And Barrel: Thundacrus Rex. It has 2 lvl 1 sleep shts. 3 lvl 2 sleep shts, 2 para lvl. 2 shts, And 3 Rapid fire freeze shots. It is a good combo.
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    Guns.

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    When im fighting Monster weak to fire i use this combo:

    Barrel:Rathling gun+
    Frame:Rathling gun+
    Stock: Chaos wing

    Its main attack is Rapid fire shots, You have 2 para shots of each level, if u bring enough mats for more para shots, you can para the monster at least 3 times (it depends on the monster), it has 3 crag lvl 2 shots (useful to break parts like giggi head and belly).

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    When i fight monster weak to water:

    Barrel:Royal launcher
    Frame:royal launcher
    Stock:Chaos wing

    its main attack is Water shots, you have: 2 para shots of each lvl.

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    Monsters weak to thunder:

    Barrel:Thundacrus
    Frame:Thundacrus Rex
    Stock:Chaos wing

    Its main attack is rapid fire thunder shots, you have 4 para lvl 2 shots.

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    Monsters weak to ice:

    Barrel:Thundacrus Rex
    Frame:Blizzard cannon
    Stock:Chaos wing

    Its main attack is Rapid fire freeze shots, it has 2 lvl 2 para, 2 lvl 1 sleep shots, 3 lvl sleep shots.

    I use this gun mostly only when fighting ala and i need tails, or i help with breaking guns, i dont recomend it for sleep bombing because it has deviation, and unless ypu gem precision +2, it wont work well, i use this gun when im meeleing ala, or breaking diablos horns.

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    Monsters weak to dragon:

    Barrel:Chaos wing
    Frame:Rathling gun +
    Stock:Chaos wing or Aquamatic "Needler"

    Its main attack is rapid fire dragon (i dont ussually use this gun because im low on dragonfell berries), it has 2 para shots of each lvl., its ahs 1 crag shot of lvl 1 and 2, useful for breaking parts like jho jaw. or helping to break jhen tusks. When using Aquamatic "Needler" stock u have more dragon shots, and u can fire more crag shots, instead of using para shots. It depends in what u really want to use.
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    Since i dont have the guns from the shards i use this gun just for fun:

    Barrel:Aquamatic "Needler"
    Frame:Jaggid Fire
    Stock:Aquamatic "Needler"

    Its main attack is rapid fire crag lvl 1 shots and pierce lvl 2 shots. You can use crag and clust shots, of the others levels, and 3 dragon shots.

    I use sometimes this gun to fight jhen, because the crag shots help a lot.
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    The best status gun against ura, i use this gun mostly in ura.

    Barrel:Bloodguilty Maw
    Frame:Poison Stinger
    Stock:Poison Stinger

    Its main attack is Rapid fire poison, so you can always have ura poisoned, you can use lvl 2 poison shots, and 2 lvl 1 para shots. You can use Crag and clusts shots to help breaking the chin of ura.
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    As you can see some of this guns have deviation, i really dont care about that because im patient and i always know the deviation of the gun, so i dont fire like a stupid. Because most of this weapons have Rapid shots, i use Escadora set, or Lagi set for elemental attacks.

    Hope you liked this post. cheers

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    Re: The Range! Nikko's crash course in gunning.

    Post  jpbob on Mon Aug 30, 2010 4:36 pm

    well thanks 4 the information guys.....once i'll be ready....i'll do my best 2 keep everything u wrote in mind


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    Re: The Range! Nikko's crash course in gunning.

    Post  vini1305 on Tue Aug 31, 2010 3:00 pm

    Thanks Nikko, can you explain to me more about the pellet shot?

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    Re: The Range! Nikko's crash course in gunning.

    Post  Amateurhunter on Tue Aug 31, 2010 4:35 pm

    vini1305 wrote:Thanks Nikko, can you explain to me more about the pellet shot?


    pellet is the best thing to use in mh3 online! U can kill everything with it! Spam those pellets with blos frame/ala stock/jho barrel!

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    Re: The Range! Nikko's crash course in gunning.

    Post  RoxasEpsilon on Tue Aug 31, 2010 9:57 pm

    Amateurhunter wrote:
    vini1305 wrote:Thanks Nikko, can you explain to me more about the pellet shot?


    pellet is the best thing to use in mh3 online! U can kill everything with it! Spam those pellets with blos frame/ala stock/jho barrel!




    NO. DON LISTEN TO THIS. pellet is used when you are on little minion hunting missions like the uroktor quest. spam pellet shots into them and they die ultra fast. its very good for bnahabra hutning too. thats the only use for it though pretty much. and im tinking that this thread has pretty much been given 5 votes so its locked. nice job nikko. points for you. Razz


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    Re: The Range! Nikko's crash course in gunning.

    Post  Dalen on Tue Aug 31, 2010 11:50 pm

    RoxasEpsilon wrote:
    Amateurhunter wrote:
    vini1305 wrote:Thanks Nikko, can you explain to me more about the pellet shot?


    pellet is the best thing to use in mh3 online! U can kill everything with it! Spam those pellets with blos frame/ala stock/jho barrel!




    NO. DON LISTEN TO THIS. pellet is used when you are on little minion hunting missions like the uroktor quest. spam pellet shots into them and they die ultra fast. its very good for bnahabra hutning too. thats the only use for it though pretty much. and im tinking that this thread has pretty much been given 5 votes so its locked. nice job nikko. points for you. Razz


    U havent seen hunter and nikko using only pellet shots, its awesome.

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